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Purgatory
“Purgatory: They’re all dead”.
In essence: Everyone on the island is actually dead and their actions on the “island” determine when they will leave Purgatory for heaven - no one in Purgatory goes to hell it is a period of purgation of sin before facing God not an in between place with an option for heaven or hell. If one is in purgatory, one will eventually be in heaven. That is the traditional understanding/teaching and it likely makes this theory less plausible.
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Purgatory, which explains why women cannot give birth to children conceived on the island.
Also in the episode “The Brig” when Sawyer asks John’s father, Anthony Cooper, how he got to the island, he explains that he was in a car accident and the next thing he knew, he was tied to a chair and gagged and looking at his “dead son”: John Locke. Sawyer asks if he thought Locke was dead because he threw him out of a window and Cooper replies: “He’s dead because a plane he was flying on crashed in the pacific.” Sawyer doesn’t believe him, then Cooper says: “If this isn’t hell, friend…then where are we?”
In “A Man Behind The Curtain”, there are a few things that support the purgatory theory. One is when Young Ben sees his mother, who died when he was born, on the island. Another is that when we see Richard in Ben’s flashbacks, he appears to be the same age then as he is now. Maybe he's not supposed to seem the same age but could it be because he is already dead? Also, Jack sees his dead father. Kate sees a dead horse.
In between: I think that they all do have to do something to get off the island but i think that when you "die" on the island you go back to the outside world. To the life that you had before but you still would know what had happened on the island
Poking holes: Although this is the favorite theory seized upon by every viewer new to the show, you’d have a bunch of seriously pissed off actors if true.
"I don't like to think we are already dead and this is for nothing. Why are we running around away from the monsters if we're already dead?" Yunjin Kim told Comingsoon.net.
"It’s not what it is, but it works as a metaphor for the show," says Abrams.
To put it more plainly, co-creator Damon Lindelof has outright dismissed the notion. "It's one of the main theories that came out in season one — but no, these guys are not dead." In the May 19, 2006 issue of Entertainment Weekly, he again debunked this: "We have said that this is not purgatory, but people don't want to believe it... These human beings have hearts and when those hearts stop beating, they are dead."
Plus, the Gary Troup anagram marks one of the many shout-outs to theorists, and others.
In addition, in the last episode of Season 2 (Live together, die alone) we see the outside world. If the Island was purgatory then the outside world would not exist and would not be able to interact with them. But the discharge was picked up by the Portugese.
Also, if they were in purgatory, why are Walt and Claire's baby Aaron there? They are children and as such wouldn't be there; children are innocent and would go to heaven. Rebuttal:: According to tradition, children who die before they are baptized go to purgatory instead of heaven. Disagree...many blievers do NOT believe in purgatory. We believe that children go directly to Heaven.
Update: With the revelation in "D.O.C." that the jet was found and there were no survivors, purgatory theorists seemed to have been vindicated. However, in the April 30, 2007 Official Podcast, Damon states "We were not lying and it is not purgatory."
It can't be purgatory, Richard goes on & off the island. He picks up Juliet and is already on the island when Ben sees him as a little boy. But then the question: Why doesn't he age? comes to mind.
"Purgatory Plus" Theory:
It's not the official "purgatory" from tradition. Instead it is a place where the dead go when they have unresolved issues. But it is still a physical place, a real island, hidden from the world by a barrier. A cloaking bubble if you will. Hanso foundation researchers accidentally found a way in via an underwater route while exploring the ocean. Thus, the only way in (without dying) is via a submarine. They set up the DHARMA initiative to study the Island.
Richard & the other "hostiles" are the guardians of this place. Richard is not human. That is why Richard does not age. (Richard is the only character that we know for sure has left the Island.) That is why they were attacking DHARMA. The living do not belong on the island.
Every crash survivor that has died (on the island) has recently resolved some lingering life issue. That is why Charlie's time is up. He has resolved all of his issues.
Thus we have classes of people on the island...
The Living: (Anyone who came by submarine; Ben, Juliette, DHARMA workers.)
The Dead: (Flight 815 "survivors")
The Guardians: (Richard, the smoke monster.)
Danielle says that the smoke monster is the Island's security system. It is stated that the sonic fence keeps out the smoke monster. The fence also kept out the hostiles (until Ben let them in). Could Richard be the smoke monster?
With some characters it is not clear whether they are living or dead. Such as Desmond. Why did Desmond not die when the hatch exploded? Perhaps he did. Perhaps he was living and now he is dead. He did not gain his abilities until after the explosion.
Dante Alighieri: In Dante Alighieri's, The Divine Comedy, the author describes heaven (paradiso), hell (the inferno), and purgatory (purgatorio). He provides a diagram of purgatory. The first thing you enter when you come to purgatory is called "The Island." Perhaps this is where the survivors are. The ones who have died (Boone, Shannon, etc.) have moved on to the other levels of purgatory after being "purified" on the Island. Dante had to wash the stains of hell from his face and the film of hell's vapors form his eyes. This could be all of the bad things that the survivors have done. It seemed that whenever a character had redeemed themselves, they "died." This could have been because they had cleansed themselves and were moving on to the next level.
Acording to Dante, greedy people go to the fifth terrace of purgatory where they are forced to lay face down on the ground and are unable to move. Nikki & Paulo (done in by their own greed) end up being buried alive while paralyzed.
Can't we just get off the purgatory theory!! Please. I dont think the producers would out and out lie to us. That would be cruel to the faithful
fans of Lost.
Comment from spottedtalon: "I think the conversation between Sawyer and Locke's dad was proof that they are NOT in purgatory. For a show like Lost - that was too easy of a give away. I think that scene was in there to send a message and actually dismiss Purgatory."
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| moopie4815162342 | NOT PURGATORY | 1 | Jun 7 2008, 6:25 PM EDT by rosie08 | |
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the writers and the actors have said it a few thousand times and i don't think they're lying - ITS NOT PURGATORY
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| boonky_aj | nonesence | 0 | Sep 25 2007, 7:31 AM EDT by boonky_aj | |
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its impossible that they're dead because of so many reasons one them is that if they are dead...what about the rest of the people on the plane that are already dead. there's another reason now that we know jack and kate made it off the island. i dont agree at all. and its not even worth it discussing this theory.
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| farandeary | purgatory | 0 | Sep 21 2007, 12:52 AM EDT by farandeary | |
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I don't think they are in purgatory, but they did die. this show relates their story of their past and what would happen in the future if they continued in their life. its their mindset just before they crashed, and what all of their fears evolved into. this is why each one has a different story. its like a dream, where you drift off into sleep and imagine you are in a world of fantasy, then it gets confusing and you end up falling off a cliff
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| lostwright | not purgatory theory | 0 | Aug 19 2007, 12:38 AM EDT by lostwright | |
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lets assume the creators are lying to us, and it is purgatory, then since they are writing/creating the show then they would have to put things to "discredit" the purgatory theory in order to support thier denials. conversely if they are telling the truth they would NOT put in contradictory content that would make them seem like liars unless they ARE liars and are trying to fool us in which case they would not put in the contradictions in order to prove they are telling the truth and that would lead to them having a story line that supports the theory of purgatory. i could keep going in circles here but i think everyone should pretty much get the point by now.
the purgatory theory is just a theory and the "truth" is what we find out during the rest of the seasons and IF by some miracle we figure it out...i think they would be slick and leave themselves a couple loopholes to slip through and say "nope you didnt get it we fooled you after all"!!! |
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| savvysuzy | I hope it's not purgatory | 0 | Aug 15 2007, 11:08 PM EDT by savvysuzy | |
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Purgatory would be too much of a "dead end" -- pun intended. It would have to get quite weird to follow a story line like that. Besides ABC already has this new show "Pushin' Daisies" (I think it's called) coming on. So I think it would be one too many dealing with that topic.
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